tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post1371577099581325472..comments2024-03-19T09:47:02.249-05:00Comments on Say What?: A Time to Vent and a Time for ChangeKevin Gilmorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07689287179985777963noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post-10370140282892447232009-04-09T12:56:00.000-05:002009-04-09T12:56:00.000-05:00I agree that a paper trail is vitally important to...I agree that a paper trail is vitally important to attempt to keep management from brushing your concerns aside. <BR/><BR/>My attitude about not wanting to waste my time with stupid phraseology interpretations speaks to a degree of apathy I have toward wanting to do the right thing. I don't want to approach my job this way but it's where I am. <BR/><BR/>I'd like to think I'd get behind the more important stuff and see that through but we all saw the brick wall I ran up against exactly one year ago in Area 5. In the end I had to remove myself from the process due to mounting frustration. A win for them and a big loss for me. I will have the last word though one day in this blog. Thanks Pdog for the paperwork you supplied me with yesterday.Kevin Gilmorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689287179985777963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post-54135087629748370972009-04-09T12:15:00.000-05:002009-04-09T12:15:00.000-05:00You can fight city hall. It just takes lots of en...You <EM>can</EM> fight city hall. It just takes lots of energy and dedication (although inevitably results in frustration). FAA management knows if they stonewall most complaints their originators will lose interest and go away.<BR/><BR/>But I agree with PDog that you also just can't give up, especially given the job we do.<BR/><BR/>At the very least we have a moral obligation to try to protect the flying public, beyond our practical day-to-day obligation to do the same in spite of misguided and dangerous FAA policies and orders.<BR/><BR/>It's also important to document the FAA's failures, both for the protection of controllers, and as a paper-trail should anything go terribly wrong because of those policies/orders.<BR/><BR/>It's certainly easier to just give up and stop fighting (and lots of controllers do that) but as I told Reid, if you really believe something is wrong, you should try to get it corrected.<BR/><BR/>And in the FAA that inevitably means dealing with FAA managers that refuse to admit they've made a stupid policy/order. These days that's happening even more than it used to since FAA management has decided to "take back" the FAA from those pesky controllers.<BR/><BR/>I applaud Reid (and encourage him) to stand up for what's right, in spite of FAA management defending what is clearly idiotic.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully someday they'll have controllers involved in those decisions again so that we end up with more reasoned and useful policies and orders created by those who actually know what air traffic controllers do every day.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post-1537209246279517132009-04-08T06:58:00.000-05:002009-04-08T06:58:00.000-05:00If you don't continue to fight "city hall", then t...If you don't continue to fight "city hall", then they have won. You have to point out the error of their ways on a constant basis. As Anonymous said "If there ever is an incident..." then by reporting that there was a problem in the past, you protect yourself in the future. <BR/><BR/>There is a reason they call the FFA the "Tombstone Agency" and when that accident happens I want to be able to say and prove that they could have prevented this from happening.Pdognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post-6840940921588186752009-04-07T10:57:00.000-05:002009-04-07T10:57:00.000-05:00Hi Kevin,I have learned my lesson many times over ...Hi Kevin,<BR/><BR/>I have learned my lesson many times over about not fighting city hall(FAA). I have always received reprimands in the past, even though sometimes I get the issue resolved because of the attention I have brought! The FAA mistakenly believes they are the true holders of safety. When you try to show them there are safety issues they tell you to shutup and do it. I have brought up several issues to the National evaluation team(QA) and they just shrug their shoulders and tell me that's the way we do it, or we don't have money. They don't disagree with me that there is a problem!!!!! If there ever is an incident that involves court action on these safety issues, I'll be the 1st to testify against the FAAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1212890428051515494.post-47282764993438616152009-04-07T00:35:00.000-05:002009-04-07T00:35:00.000-05:00I'll be smiling!I'll be smiling!John A Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07777330742400065045noreply@blogger.com